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Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 07:13
by Scanner
Dear all,

does anybody know if there is any available edition of the Tarot de Besançon?

It's a Tarot similiar to the TdM which replaced the positions of the Papess (II) and Pope (V) by the Roman Gods Jupiter/Juno (but some other little differences exist).

As far as I know, at the moment there is only a Tarot from Switzerland that is a reproduction of the TdB. Ist Name is the "Tarot 1 JJ".

Can someone help?

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 07:59
by Scanner
PS: This kind of deck is what I mean, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.
It is offered by etsy for more than 1000€.

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 08:22
by Papageno
The deck being sold on Etsy is extremely rare, hence the price.

I suggest:

Il Tarocco di Besançon, Il Meneghello

Tarocchi di Besançon Miller, Rinascimento - Giordano Berti

These are harder to find:

Tarot d'Epinal/Pellerin et Cie - Arts et Lettres, France (French Titles only) - J .M. Simon (French/English Titles)

Tarot de Besançon - Pablo Robledo

Vandenborre - Pablo Robledo

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 08:34
by Scanner
@ Papageno,

thank you for your answer - it helped me very much.
One question: Is there a file with the Besancon Cards? I'm considering to let the cards print by an online shop. It would be much more easier.

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 09:31
by _R_
Scanner wrote: 19 Apr 2020, 08:34 One question: Is there a file with the Besancon Cards? I'm considering to let the cards print by an online shop. It would be much more easier.
Yes, there is, there are a number available on the BNF website, Gallica: here for instance, or for the deck pictured above, see here.

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 09:37
by Scanner
WOW!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Thank you!!
This is so great!!

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 09:53
by _R_
Scanner wrote: 19 Apr 2020, 09:37 WOW!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Thank you!!
This is so great!!
You're welcome, glad to be of service. You can download the images by clicking on the downwards facing arrow in the menu to the left.

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 10:09
by Scanner
Honestly,
I'm not sure which one is more beautiful, being torn between both decks.
The first one looks so ancient and the second has a more powerful style, although the notes on it bother me a little bit..

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 10:21
by _R_
Scanner wrote: 19 Apr 2020, 10:09 Honestly,
I'm not sure which one is more beautiful, being torn between both decks.
The first one looks so ancient and the second has a more powerful style, although the notes on it bother me a little bit..
Here's the "clean" edition, I knew that there were more: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b ... rk=85837;2

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 10:54
by Scanner
:o :o
Thank you !!!!!!!

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 16:10
by Scanner
@ _R_
Did you notice that the eyes of Cupido on the Lovers Card (VI) from the last link you've posted are not covered in contrast to earlier versions?
I wonder why :?:

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 00:58
by _R_
Scanner wrote: 19 Apr 2020, 16:10 @ _R_
Did you notice that the eyes of Cupido on the Lovers Card (VI) from the last link you've posted are not covered in contrast to earlier versions?
I wonder why :?:
This is because the Arnoult deck is, aside from Juno and Jupiter, a "Marseilles Type II" deck, and not a Besançon as such. If the figures seem familiar, it is because Arnoult also produced another deck, with Pope and Popess, which became the prototype of the Marteau-Grimaud deck.

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 05:09
by Scanner
Thank you for that!!

Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 19 May 2020, 20:55
by Tag Jorrit
Scanner wrote: 19 Apr 2020, 07:59 PS: This kind of deck is what I mean, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.
It is offered by etsy for more than 1000€.

The one you pictured from Etsy was from published by Grimaud. This one that I just finished restoring was the earlier version, the Lequart Arnoult, that was done through the 1880s. It was produced by before Grimaud purchased the Lequart publisher in 1891. I just got the proofs back. Jupiter. Juno. Bloody swords. Bearded angel. Unique colors. What more could you want?

You can get it here on Etsy.

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Re: Tarot de Besançon

Posted: 20 May 2020, 19:14
by Jean
Hello,

Also look on the website of the National Library of France (Gallica)

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b ... rk=64378;0

https://gallica.bnf.fr/services/engine/ ... ultat-id-3

Jean